Do Christians reject the fact that the Muslims have a seperate covenant so they can force theTrinity on them ?

Abraham was chosen to be a Great Prophet of the Creator of the Universe.

Abraham had two sons who were both to be blessed with a Holy Covenant at separate times.

The Holy Covenant are promises from The Lord of Abraham in return for taking on the responsibility to “Make Allah/God known to the World”…

I think that, by and large, Christians do not recognize Muslims having a separate covenant. Many do not even regard Muslims as a legitimate faith community. They recognize Isaac as the covenant child, not Ishmael.

From what I’ve read so far on R&S, Ishmael was a mistake that Abraham had to get rid of. In addition, his mother Hagar is not recognized as a wife of Abraham. She’s either viewed as Sarah’s handmaiden, servant, slave, etc. and/or as Abraham’s concubine. (According to one Biblical movie I once viewed, Hagar was referred to as a whore by Israel.) The way I see it, both of them do not get a lot of respect. To top it off, the “wild man” verse in Genesis is very often quoted describing Ishmael, as if to inform Muslims that there was no way Almighty God was going to choose him as the covenent child. Bad influence, I suppose.

To me, part of the covenant account in Genesis is believable; the other part, questionable. I’m convinced that as far as the covenant is concerned, Islam puts the correct spin on it. Ishmael is recognized as Abraham’s legitimate first-born son. Definitely not inferior to Isaac. His mother is respected and honored as his father’s wife. And from his lineage came our beloved Prophet Muhammad (Allah’s Peace be upon him), a mercy to humanity.

We must not expect Christians to think like we do regarding the covenant. They believe their interpretation is the only valid one. However, we believe ours to be equally valid. It may not be what they want to hear; however, we’re entitled to it.

I never heard of two covenants God made with Abraham. I believe God said:
“Your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will name him Isaac. I will establish My covenant with him as an eternal covenant to his descendants after him. And as for Ishmael … I have bless him and I will make him fruitful and will increase him exceedingly. He will become the father of twelve princes and I will make him into a great nation. But I will establish My covenant with Isaac who Sarah will bear to you at this time next year.” (Genesis 17:19-21)

Ishmael was born outside of God’s plan for Abraham. God told Abraham that Sarah would bear a son. But Sarah and Abraham tought that they would help God by using Hagar instead…

Ok, but NOBODY needs a Jewish messiah for salvation in the sense that the Christians mean. Jesus came as a reformer and purifier, not God’s son. His mission was to “save” the Jews from their wrong ideas and practices that had developed over time.Your question seems to imply that the Jews needed a savior and the rest of us don’t. I think I know what you mean, but I’m not sure your Christian and Jewish readers will. The Christian idea of a savior or messiah is very different from the Muslim or Jewish one. EDIT: Millie- The only Muslims at the time of Jesus were Jesus and his followers. You cannot be a Muslim and a pagan at the same time! Perhaps you think “Arab” and “Muslim” are synonymous, in which case your comments could make sense, to you, at least. A Muslim is one who submits to the One True God. An Arab is someone from Arabia and its region. EDIT: Word of life- when Christians mention this verse it always strikes me as odd that the cannot move away from the literal and look for a deeper meaning. Isn’t it plausible to say that the meaning is there is no way to the Father accept through what I am here to teach you? That “through me” is in relation to the message, and not the man? In that case, I would have no difficulty as a Muslim accepting that verse. But on a larger scale, we “do not listen to Jesus” because we are not sure which of the recorded statements attributed to him are authentic. Instead of playing guessing games, we prefer to follow the Quran which is documented to not have changed since its writing.

I don’t force my Christianity on anyone. And there was no covenant with Ishmael. He was the rejected son that Abe had with his slave, Hagar.

Islam started with Mohammed, not Ishmael, even though Mohammed was a son of Ishmael. Islam was born after Christ died, not before, and thousands of years after Ishmael died.

No, we don’t think that Muhammad was a prophet because he was not a Jew, as required by Moses, and his teaching contradict the teachings of Jesus — Moses also said that a true prophet would never contradict another true prophet because God cannot contradict himself.

Since Jesus and Muhammad do not agree on many things, then one of them must be lying. Was Muhammad lying when he called Jesus a true prophet of God?


So, if you think that the New Testament is not the word of God, are you admitting that Muhammad lied when he called Jesus a true prophet of God, and that Muhammad lied when he called the Christian Bible the word of God?

If the Qu’ran is just like the OT, then why did we need the Qu’ran? Does God stutter when he speaks? Did God make a mistake, and needed to fix it by rewriting his eariler book?

If islam were indeed a covenant with God & Ishmael, the koran and the Bible would not contradict each other. God would not give opposing messages, if He did He would cease to be God.

Muhhammed could not attone for my sins, nor did he die for me nor could he. Furthermore the Quran was written only by the hand of Mohammed rather than the Bible which dispite written by many authors over thousands of years is still in perfect harmony from start to finish. We don’t force any thing on anyone choose for yourself

Muslims do not have a separate covenant. They have been horribly mislead.
Everyone is under the covenant with Abraham, no separate covenants for his sons.

You can’t force anyone to believe anything. It’s called free will.

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